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Sep 18 2007
Eclipse, Galant, Stratus 3.0L V6 Limitations PDF Print E-mail
Written by Russ Sanderlin   
Tuesday, 18 September 2007
blog_engine.jpgHow much power can a V6 SOHC 6G72 mechanically handle is a question that we receive quite a bit. If you own a 3.0L SOHC V6 based vehicle such as the Eclipse, Galant, Stratus or are looking to swap a 3.0L into your vehicle then coming to Tearstone Performance to help scoot your beast a long down the road or track quicker is the right step!

The 6G72 SOHC 3.0L engine is a very reliable engine in naturally aspirated form. Assuming the engine was not neglected on the proper maintenance intervals, you should not be surprised that the 6G72 SOHC will exceed 250K miles. I have a lot of customers that are concerned that once they hit 60k-70k that they've hit a "high-mileage" threshold and are wondering if a rebuild is in order. As far as I'm concerned 60-70k on these engines is barely breaking it in. I've taken 120k+ mile engines apart and the bearings nearly look brand new still.

The 5speed 6G72 puts down around 180whp (wheel horse power) on a dyno in naturally aspirated form give or take 5whp depending on emissions setup and higher engine compression/plenum design found in the 2003-2005 GTS models.  The Sporttronic or automatic vehicle puts down around 160whp in stock form, give or take based on aforementioned stock configurations.

Basic bolt ons with no ECU flash will bring you up approximately another 10-12whp. The ECU Flash alone even on stock cars has been estimated to add another 15whp. Even then the stock engine will be quite comfortable with that level of horsepower assuming it's tuned on to a proper A/F ratio. I say that because even on a perfectly stock car if you tune the car improperly you can cause damage to the engine anyways.

6g72dmg.jpgWhere we start to push the limits of the stock engine is with forced induction. One constant we've found, even with the 6G74 engines is that the pistons are designed for economy and use a very soft aluminum alloy. With the right amount of heat, this will inevitably begin to pull off chips of the ring land at about 300whp. Turbo sizing plays an important roll in how much heat is processed efficiently through th engine so potentially you are risking tearing up your pistons at a lower boost level / horsepower. Generally we've found that a T3/T04e 50 trim is good for about 6psi, and T4 is good for 8psi to keep the engine somewhat reliable. 

Nitrous has found to be safer in this realm as long as you are using a wet intake kit. Many owners have used 75 shot kits and have gone through quite a few bottles with no dismay. Then of course I have one engine that is heavily damaged from a direct 75 direct port setup. 

If you have intentions of adding a turbo, supercharger or extensive nitrous use on your engine, you definitely want to upgrade to forged pistons at a minimum. The rest of the engine in terms of reliability is built really well except the pistons have always been a problem in terms of adding lots of power to the engine.

At this point, not many vehicles have made it past the 300whp mark. The few that have made it to the 400whp neighborhood still managed to have a reliable setup but has issues with the heads not flowing anymore air efficiently. We guesstimate the stock rods are good for at least 500whp based on the success of the 3000GT platforms. We've never heard of anyone having a bent rod unless they sucked up water or hydro-locked their engine. For the few people that have gotten to the 400whp mark, they did it with stock cams so we can only conclude that the heads stop flowing air around that mark.

In terms of ignition limits, many owners that begin pushing 10-12psi begin having issues with the spark blowing out using the stock distributor. It's best at this time to supplement your existing distributor or convert to coil packs. I would recommend anyone do that in excess of 300whp.

This should give you a road map or some sense of what you are getting into in terms of making power with these engines and vehicles.  

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  Comments (17)
 1 Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it website, on 21-09-2007 01:10
Great article. I own a 03 gts and That was alot of help regarding the internals on my car. Hopefully one day I can afford a turbo or supercharger. Just nitrous for now. But at least I know what I have to upgrade now. Thanks. Keep it up tearstone.......
 2 Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it website, on 21-09-2007 04:18
I appreciate the feedback Chris, there is plenty more to come :)
 3 Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it , on 24-09-2007 21:06
I hava a 03 GTS. I know that the GTS engine differes from the GT engine, for the GTS engine has a 10.5 to one compression ratio and a completely different plennum system. Dose the GTS engine use the same pistons as the GT engine?
 4 Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it , on 26-09-2007 01:23
how much hp can i get with short tube or long tube headers on a v6 3rd gen? also will i get more torque or horsepower?
 5 Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it , on 26-09-2007 01:27
hey tearstone. keep up the good work guys. i own a 03' gt and i had the engine bored out to a 3.2 and im thinking abot supercharging it. will that kill my engine?
 6 Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it website, on 26-09-2007 23:47
Chris - The GTS has 10.0:1 compression and it uses different pistons which are even weaker than the GT engine, so yes they are different. 
 
James - The headers yield approximately a 10whp gain on the 3.0L, and depending on which header system you get will depend on the amount of extra torque you get. The short tubes put more power up higher in the power band, and the long tube headers put power down towards the bottom of the power band. If you have a 5 speed, you would completely understand why you need short tube headers, and if you have a Sporty you can understand why getting long tube headers would be more optimal :) 
 
Xavier - If you bored it out to a 3.2 and put in forged pistons you should be able to make more power and the engine still take quite a beating but you will still be limited by how well the heads can flow.
 7 Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it , on 28-09-2007 01:15
This article was very informative and will help me in my decision to swap my 4g64 motor for a 6g72 in my stratus. Could you give any info like this about the 4g64? Can i do the same upgrades on this motor and is it worth it?
 8 Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it website, on 01-10-2007 02:44
I'll do a write up about the 4G64 sometime this week for ya :)
 9 Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it , on 01-10-2007 14:51
Hey thanks alot for getting some info on the 4g64 :zzz
 10 Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it , on 05-10-2007 01:12
So would i have to get the heads port and polished and if so how much would i gain hp/ft-lb wise??? :?
 11 Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it website, on 05-10-2007 02:28
You don't have to, especially if your N/A you should not get the heads P&P'd. But if you are building serious horsepower for boost then P&Ping your heads will increase volumetric efficiency thereby getting more air in and out of that combustion chamber more efficiently. Unfortunately, I cannot give you any accurate numbers since only a very small few have ever actually done it on various different methods of forced induction to actually say.
 12 Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it , on 23-10-2007 00:52
ok i am buying a 2003 galant motor 3.0 for my 1997 dodge avenger what will i need to mount this motor in? and what do i need to do to the motor so it will handle a turbo without damgeing the motor?
 13 Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it , on 23-10-2007 01:08
i know i have to change the pistons but what else can i do?
 14 Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it website, on 24-10-2007 00:45
Lucas, 
 
I've never had the chance to work on an Avenger so I can't say for sure. My best recommendation is to go over to ASOC (I think it's ASOC.COM or ASOC.ORG). They should be able to help you with the particulars in getting a 3.0L into your car.  
 
You don't need to change the pistons just for an engine swap though.
 15 Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it , on 25-10-2007 04:23
Good lookin' out C3G. I really appreciate this infomation. ill continue to come to yall for info.
 16 Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it , on 28-01-2008 10:01
I have a 2004 stratus R/T coupe. I got the spark plug wires for my car but I have to take off the intake manifold and I don't know how to take if off without breaking something. Can some give me a step by step instruction.
 17 Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it , on 06-08-2008 02:55
Would headers for a G672 3G Eclipsed also fit a 6G72 SOHC Non-turbo 3000GT?

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